OK e AND g , we went camping to escape the heat last weekend. We go basic, tent, hot dogs and smores. unfortunatly their was a no fire or using of the camp grills in effect that weekend... which meant no supper and not a whole lot to do with out a fire. We had to run to Walmart (20minutes) from the campsite to get a grill. it turned our cheap camping night to 50 dollar hot dogs. In the end we had pan roasted hot dogs and smores and a long night on a hard ground....but the next day it was 80 degrees and beautiful. We fished and went to an antique show and ate hot dogs (again) for lunch.